Castleton vs Skidmore College (1/23/07 at Sports&Rec Center, Saratoga Springs, NY)



Official Basketball Box Score


Official Basketball Box Score Castleton vs Skidmore College 1/23/07 7 pm at Sports&Rec Center, Saratoga Springs, NY -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- VISITORS: Castleton 6-7 TOT-FG 3-PT REBOUNDS ## Player Name FG-FGA FG-FGA FT-FTA OF DE TOT PF TP A TO BLK S MIN 14 Alden Gregory....... * 3-4 0-0 0-0 0 1 1 1 6 2 0 0 1 29 15 Joey Farley......... * 2-9 1-4 0-0 1 2 3 3 5 2 2 0 2 25 20 Rich Reilly......... * 5-16 4-8 3-4 0 3 3 4 17 5 3 0 1 32 34 Jeremy Jorgensen.... * 7-13 0-0 5-6 4 5 9 1 19 3 0 0 1 38 44 Matt Tomaino........ * 1-3 0-1 0-0 1 3 4 2 2 1 0 0 1 20 22 Kevin Cayea......... 4-6 3-5 0-0 0 1 1 2 11 0 3 0 5 24 42 Josh Howe........... 5-10 2-6 3-4 2 2 4 3 15 1 2 0 3 30 45 Zach Briggs......... 0-0 0-0 0-0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 3 TEAM................ 2 2 Totals.............. 27-61 10-24 11-14 8 19 27 16 75 14 10 0 14 201 TOTAL FG% 1st Half: 14-34 41.2% 2nd Half: 13-27 48.1% Game: 44.3% DEADB 3-Pt. FG% 1st Half: 4-12 33.3% 2nd Half: 6-12 50.0% Game: 41.7% REBS F Throw % 1st Half: 4-4 100 % 2nd Half: 7-10 70.0% Game: 78.6% 2 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- HOME TEAM: Skidmore College 2-13 TOT-FG 3-PT REBOUNDS ## Player Name FG-FGA FG-FGA FT-FTA OF DE TOT PF TP A TO BLK S MIN 04 Ryan Fischer-Werner. * 5-9 0-2 2-3 0 2 2 2 12 3 1 1 0 31 20 Brian Perrier....... * 3-5 2-4 0-1 0 1 1 0 8 4 5 0 2 31 24 Jon Douglas......... * 3-6 0-3 0-0 4 6 10 3 6 4 2 0 2 21 31 J.Haviland-Markowitz * 5-15 1-7 5-6 2 9 11 1 16 1 6 1 2 34 32 Rob Moore........... * 0-3 0-0 0-0 1 1 2 2 0 0 1 0 1 21 11 Matthew Belsito..... 3-5 1-3 0-0 1 1 2 1 7 3 3 0 0 21 21 Bobby Langford...... 6-10 0-0 1-4 4 3 7 4 13 1 4 2 1 26 25 Jake Shechtman...... 2-4 2-4 0-0 0 2 2 0 6 1 1 0 0 16 TEAM................ 4 4 Totals.............. 27-57 6-23 8-14 12 29 41 13 68 17 23 4 8 201 TOTAL FG% 1st Half: 15-32 46.9% 2nd Half: 12-25 48.0% Game: 47.4% DEADB 3-Pt. FG% 1st Half: 2-12 16.7% 2nd Half: 4-11 36.4% Game: 26.1% REBS F Throw % 1st Half: 2-3 66.7% 2nd Half: 6-11 54.5% Game: 57.1% 3 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Officials: Technical fouls: Castleton-None. Skidmore College-None. Attendance: 145 Score by Periods 1st 2nd Total Castleton..................... 36 39 - 75 Skidmore College.............. 34 34 - 68

Play-By-Play


Play-By-Play Castleton vs Skidmore College 1/23/07 7 pm at Sports&Rec Center, Saratoga Springs, NY 1st PERIOD Play-by-Play (Page 1) HOME TEAM: Skidmore College TIME SCORE MAR VISITORS: Castleton ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ MISSED JUMPER by Rob Moore 19:29 19:29 REBOUND (DEF) by Matt Tomaino 19:14 0-3 V 3 GOOD! 3 PTR by Rich Reilly 19:14 ASSIST by Joey Farley MISSED LAYUP by Ryan Fischer-Werner 18:41 REBOUND (OFF) by Jon Douglas 18:41 GOOD! LAYUP by Jon Douglas 18:37 2-3 V 1 18:23 2-5 V 3 GOOD! JUMPER by Matt Tomaino 18:13 ASSIST by Rich Reilly MISSED 3 PTR by J.Haviland-Markowitz 18:03 18:03 REBOUND (DEF) by Matt Tomaino 17:55 TURNOVR by Rich Reilly STEAL by Brian Perrier 17:54 TURNOVR by J.Haviland-Markowitz 17:39 17:37 STEAL by Matt Tomaino 17:31 MISSED JUMPER by Joey Farley REBOUND (DEF) by J.Haviland-Markowit 17:31 GOOD! LAYUP by Jon Douglas 17:11 4-5 V 1 ASSIST by Brian Perrier 17:11 16:53 MISSED LAYUP by Rich Reilly 16:53 REBOUND (OFF) by Jeremy Jorgensen 16:51 4-7 V 3 GOOD! LAYUP by Jeremy Jorgensen MISSED 3 PTR by J.Haviland-Markowitz 16:34 16:34 REBOUND (DEF) by Joey Farley 16:15 4-10 V 6 GOOD! 3 PTR by Rich Reilly GOOD! LAYUP by Ryan Fischer-Werner 15:47 6-10 V 4 ASSIST by Brian Perrier 15:47 15:17 6-12 V 6 GOOD! JUMPER by Jeremy Jorgensen 15:17 ASSIST by Rich Reilly GOOD! LAYUP by Bobby Langford 14:51 8-12 V 4 ASSIST by Jon Douglas 14:51 14:29 MISSED LAYUP by Rich Reilly REBOUND (DEF) by Jon Douglas 14:29 GOOD! LAYUP by Brian Perrier 14:17 10-12 V 2 ASSIST by Jake Shechtman 14:17 14:10 MISSED 3 PTR by Josh Howe REBOUND (DEF) by Jon Douglas 14:10 MISSED 3 PTR by Jon Douglas 13:57 13:57 REBOUND (DEF) by (TEAM) FOUL by Bobby Langford 13:55 13:38 MISSED 3 PTR by Rich Reilly REBOUND (DEF) by Jon Douglas 13:38 TURNOVR by Brian Perrier 13:19 13:19 STEAL by Rich Reilly 13:15 MISSED 3 PTR by Kevin Cayea REBOUND (DEF) by Jake Shechtman 13:15 GOOD! 3 PTR by Brian Perrier 13:04 13-12 H 1 ASSIST by Matthew Belsito 13:04 12:46 13-14 V 1 GOOD! LAYUP by Josh Howe GOOD! 3 PTR by Brian Perrier 12:28 16-14 H 2 ASSIST by Matthew Belsito 12:28 12:13 MISSED JUMPER by Jeremy Jorgensen 12:13 REBOUND (OFF) by Jeremy Jorgensen 12:01 MISSED 3 PTR by Josh Howe REBOUND (DEF) by Jon Douglas 12:01 MISSED 3 PTR by Jake Shechtman 11:46 REBOUND (DEF) by Matthew Belsito 11:46 11:17 FOUL by Josh Howe TURNOVR by Jake Shechtman 11:16 11:15 STEAL by Joey Farley 11:10 MISSED 3 PTR by Joey Farley REBOUND (DEF) by Brian Perrier 11:10 MISSED 3 PTR by Brian Perrier 11:00 11:00 REBOUND (DEF) by Jeremy Jorgensen 10:48 MISSED JUMPER by Jeremy Jorgensen BLOCK by Bobby Langford 10:48 10:44 REBOUND (DEF) by (TEAM) 10:36 MISSED JUMPER by Joey Farley REBOUND (DEF) by J.Haviland-Markowit 10:36 GOOD! LAYUP by Matthew Belsito 10:14 18-14 H 4 10:02 18-16 H 2 GOOD! JUMPER by Jeremy Jorgensen 10:02 ASSIST by Joey Farley MISSED 3 PTR by Matthew Belsito 09:43 REBOUND (OFF) by Bobby Langford 09:43 09:40 FOUL by Joey Farley MISSED LAYUP by J.Haviland-Markowitz 09:27 09:27 REBOUND (DEF) by Jeremy Jorgensen 09:15 MISSED LAYUP by Jeremy Jorgensen BLOCK by Bobby Langford 09:15 REBOUND (DEF) by J.Haviland-Markowit 09:13 GOOD! LAYUP by Bobby Langford 08:59 20-16 H 4 ASSIST by Matthew Belsito 08:59 FOUL by Rob Moore 08:44 08:33 20-18 H 2 GOOD! JUMPER by Rich Reilly TURNOVR by Ryan Fischer-Werner 08:07 07:57 MISSED 3 PTR by Rich Reilly REBOUND (DEF) by (TEAM) 07:57 MISSED 3 PTR by Matthew Belsito 07:35 07:35 REBOUND (DEF) by Rich Reilly 07:26 MISSED JUMPER by Joey Farley 07:26 REBOUND (OFF) by Joey Farley 07:22 20-20 T 1 GOOD! LAYUP by Joey Farley GOOD! LAYUP by Ryan Fischer-Werner 07:02 22-20 H 2 07:02 FOUL by Rich Reilly GOOD! FT SHOT by Ryan Fischer-Werner 07:02 23-20 H 3 06:48 MISSED LAYUP by Jeremy Jorgensen BLOCK by J.Haviland-Markowitz 06:48 06:46 REBOUND (OFF) by Jeremy Jorgensen FOUL by Jon Douglas 06:46 06:46 23-21 H 2 GOOD! FT SHOT by Jeremy Jorgensen 06:46 23-22 H 1 GOOD! FT SHOT by Jeremy Jorgensen 06:32 FOUL by Rich Reilly MISSED FT SHOT by Ryan Fischer-Werne 06:32 REBOUND (OFF) by (DEADBALL) 06:32 GOOD! FT SHOT by Ryan Fischer-Werner 06:32 24-22 H 2 06:21 MISSED LAYUP by Josh Howe 06:21 REBOUND (OFF) by Josh Howe 06:18 TURNOVR by Josh Howe STEAL by Brian Perrier 06:17 MISSED 3 PTR by Jon Douglas 06:07 06:07 REBOUND (DEF) by Rich Reilly 05:49 24-25 V 1 GOOD! 3 PTR by Kevin Cayea 05:49 ASSIST by Jeremy Jorgensen MISSED 3 PTR by J.Haviland-Markowitz 05:20 REBOUND (OFF) by Jon Douglas 05:20 GOOD! JUMPER by Jon Douglas 05:14 26-25 H 1 05:02 MISSED LAYUP by Rich Reilly REBOUND (DEF) by Jon Douglas 05:02 GOOD! LAYUP by J.Haviland-Markowitz 04:44 28-25 H 3 04:29 TURNOVR by Kevin Cayea STEAL by Rob Moore 04:27 MISSED JUMPER by Rob Moore 04:24 REBOUND (OFF) by Rob Moore 04:24 04:22 FOUL by Kevin Cayea MISSED LAYUP by J.Haviland-Markowitz 04:20 04:20 REBOUND (DEF) by Josh Howe FOUL by Rob Moore 04:01 04:01 28-26 H 2 GOOD! FT SHOT by Jeremy Jorgensen 04:01 28-27 H 1 GOOD! FT SHOT by Jeremy Jorgensen GOOD! LAYUP by Ryan Fischer-Werner 03:39 30-27 H 3 ASSIST by Brian Perrier 03:39 03:30 30-30 T 2 GOOD! 3 PTR by Josh Howe 03:30 ASSIST by Jeremy Jorgensen MISSED LAYUP by J.Haviland-Markowitz 03:12 REBOUND (OFF) by J.Haviland-Markowit 03:12 GOOD! LAYUP by J.Haviland-Markowitz 03:10 32-30 H 2 02:57 TURNOVR by Kevin Cayea STEAL by J.Haviland-Markowitz 02:56 TURNOVR by Brian Perrier 02:53 02:52 STEAL by Alden Gregory 02:45 32-32 T 3 GOOD! JUMPER by Jeremy Jorgensen 02:30 FOUL by Matt Tomaino GOOD! JUMPER by Bobby Langford 02:21 34-32 H 2 ASSIST by Ryan Fischer-Werner 02:21 FOUL by J.Haviland-Markowitz 02:08 01:56 34-34 T 4 GOOD! LAYUP by Josh Howe 01:56 ASSIST by Matt Tomaino TURNOVR by J.Haviland-Markowitz 01:35 01:25 MISSED 3 PTR by Josh Howe REBOUND (DEF) by (TEAM) 01:25 MISSED LAYUP by Ryan Fischer-Werner 00:52 00:52 REBOUND (DEF) by Josh Howe 00:47 MISSED 3 PTR by Matt Tomaino 00:47 REBOUND (OFF) by Josh Howe 00:40 MISSED JUMPER by Jeremy Jorgensen 00:40 REBOUND (OFF) by Matt Tomaino 00:33 34-36 V 2 GOOD! LAYUP by Jeremy Jorgensen 00:33 ASSIST by Alden Gregory MISSED 3 PTR by J.Haviland-Markowitz 00:01 00:01 REBOUND (DEF) by Matt Tomaino
Castleton 36, Skidmore College 34
2nd PERIOD Play-by-Play (Page 1) HOME TEAM: Skidmore College TIME SCORE MAR VISITORS: Castleton ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ 19:42 MISSED JUMPER by Matt Tomaino REBOUND (DEF) by J.Haviland-Markowit 19:42 GOOD! LAYUP by Bobby Langford 19:34 36-36 T 5 ASSIST by Brian Perrier 19:34 19:23 MISSED JUMPER by Jeremy Jorgensen REBOUND (DEF) by J.Haviland-Markowit 19:23 TURNOVR by Brian Perrier 19:16 FOUL by Bobby Langford 19:08 19:02 MISSED 3 PTR by Rich Reilly REBOUND (DEF) by (TEAM) 19:02 19:00 FOUL by Matt Tomaino 18:38 FOUL by Alden Gregory GOOD! FT SHOT by J.Haviland-Markowit 18:38 37-36 H 1 GOOD! FT SHOT by J.Haviland-Markowit 18:38 38-36 H 2 18:27 38-38 T 6 GOOD! LAYUP by Alden Gregory 18:27 ASSIST by Jeremy Jorgensen 18:11 FOUL by Joey Farley GOOD! FT SHOT by J.Haviland-Markowit 18:11 39-38 H 1 MISSED FT SHOT by J.Haviland-Markowi 18:11 REBOUND (DEF) by Bobby Langford 18:11 TURNOVR by Bobby Langford 18:08 17:59 MISSED JUMPER by Rich Reilly BLOCK by Ryan Fischer-Werner 17:59 REBOUND (DEF) by Ryan Fischer-Werner 17:57 TURNOVR by Rob Moore 17:54 17:54 STEAL by Josh Howe 17:52 MISSED 3 PTR by Josh Howe REBOUND (DEF) by (TEAM) 17:52 MISSED LAYUP by Bobby Langford 17:14 17:14 REBOUND (DEF) by Joey Farley 16:55 39-41 V 2 GOOD! 3 PTR by Joey Farley 16:55 ASSIST by Josh Howe GOOD! LAYUP by Ryan Fischer-Werner 16:31 41-41 T 7 16:19 MISSED LAYUP by Rich Reilly REBOUND (DEF) by Ryan Fischer-Werner 16:19 GOOD! 3 PTR by J.Haviland-Markowitz 16:11 44-41 H 3 ASSIST by Jon Douglas 16:11 15:56 MISSED LAYUP by Joey Farley 15:56 REBOUND (OFF) by Jeremy Jorgensen 15:54 44-43 H 1 GOOD! LAYUP by Jeremy Jorgensen MISSED 3 PTR by Ryan Fischer-Werner 15:49 REBOUND (OFF) by Jon Douglas 15:49 TURNOVR by Jon Douglas 15:43 15:42 STEAL by Jeremy Jorgensen 15:30 44-45 V 1 GOOD! JUMPER by Josh Howe TURNOVR by Brian Perrier 15:05 FOUL by Jon Douglas 14:41 14:41 44-46 V 2 GOOD! FT SHOT by Josh Howe 14:41 44-47 V 3 GOOD! FT SHOT by Josh Howe TURNOVR by Brian Perrier 14:22 14:21 STEAL by Kevin Cayea 14:14 TURNOVR by Josh Howe STEAL by Jon Douglas 14:13 GOOD! 3 PTR by Jake Shechtman 13:49 47-47 T 8 ASSIST by J.Haviland-Markowitz 13:49 13:39 MISSED JUMPER by Rich Reilly REBOUND (DEF) by Jon Douglas 13:39 MISSED 3 PTR by Brian Perrier 13:24 REBOUND (OFF) by Matthew Belsito 13:24 MISSED 3 PTR by Jake Shechtman 13:17 13:17 REBOUND (DEF) by Rich Reilly 13:07 MISSED LAYUP by Rich Reilly REBOUND (DEF) by J.Haviland-Markowit 13:07 TURNOVR by Matthew Belsito 12:53 12:52 STEAL by Joey Farley 12:49 47-49 V 2 GOOD! LAYUP by Kevin Cayea TURNOVR by Bobby Langford 12:25 12:07 MISSED JUMPER by Alden Gregory REBOUND (DEF) by Jake Shechtman 12:07 MISSED 3 PTR by Jon Douglas 11:40 REBOUND (OFF) by Jon Douglas 11:40 TURNOVR by Jon Douglas 11:34 11:33 STEAL by Kevin Cayea 11:31 FOUL by Rich Reilly TURNOVR by Matthew Belsito 11:30 FOUL by Matthew Belsito 11:28 11:21 TURNOVR by Kevin Cayea STEAL by Bobby Langford 11:20 GOOD! LAYUP by Bobby Langford 11:06 49-49 T 9 ASSIST by Jon Douglas 11:06 10:56 TURNOVR by Rich Reilly STEAL by Jon Douglas 10:55 GOOD! LAYUP by Matthew Belsito 10:52 51-49 H 2 ASSIST by Jon Douglas 10:52 10:30 51-51 T 10 GOOD! JUMPER by Alden Gregory 10:04 FOUL by Josh Howe TURNOVR by Bobby Langford 10:02 09:54 51-54 V 3 GOOD! 3 PTR by Kevin Cayea 09:54 ASSIST by Rich Reilly GOOD! 3 PTR by Jake Shechtman 09:29 54-54 T 11 ASSIST by Ryan Fischer-Werner 09:29 FOUL by Bobby Langford 09:17 09:17 MISSED FT SHOT by Jeremy Jorgensen 09:17 REBOUND (OFF) by (DEADBALL) 09:17 54-55 V 1 GOOD! FT SHOT by Jeremy Jorgensen TURNOVR by Matthew Belsito 09:09 09:08 STEAL by Josh Howe 09:03 54-58 V 4 GOOD! 3 PTR by Rich Reilly TURNOVR by J.Haviland-Markowitz 08:35 08:34 STEAL by Kevin Cayea 08:20 MISSED 3 PTR by Rich Reilly REBOUND (DEF) by J.Haviland-Markowit 08:20 GOOD! LAYUP by Ryan Fischer-Werner 08:02 56-58 V 2 07:48 TURNOVR by Joey Farley STEAL by J.Haviland-Markowitz 07:47 07:38 FOUL by Kevin Cayea TURNOVR by J.Haviland-Markowitz 07:23 07:22 STEAL by Kevin Cayea FOUL by Jon Douglas 07:16 07:07 MISSED 3 PTR by Kevin Cayea REBOUND (DEF) by Rob Moore 07:07 MISSED 3 PTR by J.Haviland-Markowitz 06:55 06:55 REBOUND (DEF) by Jeremy Jorgensen 06:42 TURNOVR by Joey Farley GOOD! LAYUP by J.Haviland-Markowitz 06:25 58-58 T 12 06:12 MISSED 3 PTR by Joey Farley REBOUND (DEF) by J.Haviland-Markowit 06:12 MISSED LAYUP by Bobby Langford 05:59 REBOUND (OFF) by Bobby Langford 05:59 TURNOVR by Bobby Langford 05:55 05:54 STEAL by Kevin Cayea 05:43 MISSED 3 PTR by Joey Farley REBOUND (DEF) by Bobby Langford 05:43 05:28 FOUL by Josh Howe MISSED FT SHOT by Bobby Langford 05:28 REBOUND (OFF) by (DEADBALL) 05:28 GOOD! FT SHOT by Bobby Langford 05:28 59-58 H 1 05:17 59-60 V 1 GOOD! LAYUP by Jeremy Jorgensen 05:17 ASSIST by Alden Gregory 04:52 FOUL by Jeremy Jorgensen GOOD! FT SHOT by J.Haviland-Markowit 04:52 60-60 T 13 GOOD! FT SHOT by J.Haviland-Markowit 04:52 61-60 H 1 04:47 TURNOVR by Rich Reilly GOOD! JUMPER by J.Haviland-Markowitz 04:24 63-60 H 3 ASSIST by Ryan Fischer-Werner 04:24 FOUL by Ryan Fischer-Werner 04:04 04:04 MISSED FT SHOT by Josh Howe 04:04 REBOUND (OFF) by (DEADBALL) 04:04 63-61 H 2 GOOD! FT SHOT by Josh Howe MISSED 3 PTR by J.Haviland-Markowitz 03:33 REBOUND (OFF) by Bobby Langford 03:33 GOOD! LAYUP by Bobby Langford 03:29 65-61 H 4 03:28 FOUL by Joey Farley MISSED FT SHOT by Bobby Langford 03:28 03:28 REBOUND (DEF) by Jeremy Jorgensen 03:18 65-63 H 2 GOOD! LAYUP by Alden Gregory MISSED LAYUP by Rob Moore 02:53 REBOUND (OFF) by Bobby Langford 02:53 02:51 FOUL by Rich Reilly MISSED FT SHOT by Bobby Langford 02:51 REBOUND (OFF) by (DEADBALL) 02:51 MISSED FT SHOT by Brian Perrier 02:51 REBOUND (DEF) by J.Haviland-Markowit 02:51 MISSED LAYUP by J.Haviland-Markowitz 02:51 REBOUND (OFF) by J.Haviland-Markowit 02:51 TURNOVR by J.Haviland-Markowitz 02:49 FOUL by Ryan Fischer-Werner 02:37 02:37 65-64 H 1 GOOD! FT SHOT by Rich Reilly 02:37 65-65 T 14 GOOD! FT SHOT by Rich Reilly MISSED LAYUP by Bobby Langford 02:19 02:19 REBOUND (DEF) by Alden Gregory 02:09 65-68 V 3 GOOD! 3 PTR by Kevin Cayea 02:09 ASSIST by Rich Reilly GOOD! 3 PTR by Matthew Belsito 01:54 68-68 T 15 ASSIST by Bobby Langford 01:54 01:22 68-71 V 3 GOOD! 3 PTR by Josh Howe 01:22 ASSIST by Rich Reilly TURNOVR by J.Haviland-Markowitz 01:03 01:02 STEAL by Josh Howe 00:25 68-74 V 6 GOOD! 3 PTR by Rich Reilly MISSED 3 PTR by Ryan Fischer-Werner 00:11 00:11 REBOUND (DEF) by Kevin Cayea FOUL by Bobby Langford 00:09 00:09 68-75 V 7 GOOD! FT SHOT by Rich Reilly 00:09 MISSED FT SHOT by Rich Reilly REBOUND (DEF) by Bobby Langford 00:09 MISSED JUMPER by Bobby Langford 00:02 00:02 REBOUND (DEF) by Jeremy Jorgensen
Castleton 75, Skidmore College 68

Play Analysis


Castleton vs Skidmore College (1/23/07 - Period 2 00:00) POINTS OFF TURNOVERS 1 2 - Tot Castleton............... 2 17 - 19 Skidmore College........ 0 11 - 11 POINTS IN PAINT 1 2 - Tot Castleton............... 10 10 - 20 Skidmore College........ 22 14 - 36 2ND CHANCE POINTS 1 2 - Tot Castleton............... 8 2 - 10 Skidmore College........ 6 2 - 8 FAST BREAK POINTS 1 2 - Tot Castleton............... 0 7 - 7 Skidmore College........ 2 2 - 4 BENCH POINTS 1 2 - Tot Castleton............... 10 16 - 26 Skidmore College........ 8 18 - 26 SCORE TIED BY 1 2 - Tot Castleton............... 4 3 - 7 Skidmore College........ 0 8 - 8 LEAD GAINED BY 1 2 - Tot Castleton............... 3 5 - 8 Skidmore College........ 3 5 - 8